Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone - Unless The Bastard’s A Faggot?
Forgive me if I am wrong here, but wasn't part of Jesus' teachings about loving your neighbor and setting good examples? Did I miss the part where Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. No, wait - the bastard's a faggot. Never-mind. It's ok. Hey! Let me get in on this. Someone hand me a big rock."
I don't want to put words into her mouth, but it sounds to me like this is what Ruth Malhotra of Atlanta, Georgia is saying. She's suing her school, Georgia Tech, because she thinks their anti-discrimination policy (which says it's not ok to verbally bash gays) infringes on her ability to practice Christianity. Apparently in order to be a Christian, you have to harass gay people, wear anti-gay tee shirts, and do a bunch of stuff that I'm pretty sure would cause Jesus to roll over in his grave if he had one.
A simple google search on Ruth Malhotra can give you a little insight into this gal. I think she's paranoid, thinking everyone is out to get her because of her religious beliefs. Yes, this isn't the first time she's taken someone (or her School) to court because she felt they weren't allowing her to be a good Christian. She accused her school of giving her bad grades only because she was a Christian - she filed a greviance because her teachers didn't share her religious beliefs or political views - There are so many google search results about her, I'm starting to wonder if she'll sue anybody and everybody she doesn't agree with? Or, who doesn't agree with her.
Personally, I don't see how anybody's sexual orientation is as threatening as so many want us to believe.
And, it isn't that we don't like Christians - that would have nothing to do with it anyway. Yes, you are entitled to your religious beliefs - that's part of what this Great Nation was based on. Nobody is saying you can't practice your religion. What we're saying is that you can't cram it down the throats of every homosexual you want to persecute.
That's right - it isn't your religious values we're against, it's the persecution. And yes, there is a VERY BIG difference.
So, is your message really that persecution is wrong if it's about religous values, but perfectly acceptable if it's based on moral values? That hardly seems fair.
The law in America protects you because of your religous values - and that's a good law. That same law, pretty much, protects homosexuals from the exact same thing - and that's a bad law? Either it's good or its bad - which one is it?
I THINK THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS AN ABOMINATION BEFORE GOD FOR A MAN TO LAY WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN TO SAY WITH A WOMAN.
Comment by robert gayler — May 31, 2006 @ 9:11 am
robert, your CAPS LOCK KEY is stuck.
Also, while I’m pleased you only said “I think”, you’re actually wrong.
Comment by Jesurgislac — June 1, 2006 @ 6:15 am
First off I’d like to point out that the reasson America even has such a law is becasue of christianity. Does it not say on the american bill ” In GOD We Trust”? It’s one thing to believe in God and another to follow Him. So if it declares “In GOD We Trust”, shouldn’t every american believe and trust in God? The definition of trust is “confident expectation of something”. So then, what can we expect from God Almighty, if we ourselfs are being disobeidient? ” For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the NATURAL use for what is AGAINST nature. Likewise also men, leaving the natural use for the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men commiting what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error wich was due.” (romans1:26-27) If your read close the text above you will notice it says “leaving the natural use”. Now to leave something requires a decision on your part. It does not say ” the natural use for woman, having left them, men with men commiting…” ; no it says “leaving”. Meaning you make the decision to become gay. Friend it is all in your head, and I do not come here to persecute you, nor to oppress you, that’s is for God alone to do; He has the right to judge because He is flawless, hence ” let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. When Jesus said that he said it to protect that lady. What he mean is , we’re all sinners, gay and straight appart, we are all guilty before God. Now it is upto us to leave our sinful nature and persue Him, and find salvation at the feet of Jesus. So I’m not here to judge, but simply to guide you, and point out your transgression; and I would hope other do the same for me, because we are none of us perfect( “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of Go,” romans3:20). So I urge you brothers, fight the good fight, repent, and persue our Father with all your hearts and souls.
Comment by Alex — September 21, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
Wow. I think she needs to read the Bible a little closer if you ask me. She thinks all these people who she’s had law siuts againts and filed complaints against are against her because she’s a Christian. The only conclusion that I can derive from this is that she’s passing judgement on them…which is for God and God alone. Also, what happend to the part about love thy neighbor and do un to others? Would she really bo okay with it if she was a teacher, and gave a student bad grades because he/she didn’t understand the curiculum well enough, and he/she sued her because she’s a Christian, and he’s/she’s a Buddhist? The same circumstances seem to roughly apply.
And in response to Alex (3rd comment), I agree with most that was said. It was all very well put. The part thst I disagree on, however, is hte part about choosing to be gay. I think some people are born that way, some choose it, and some, for whatever reason, feel that it is natural for them. Most teen/adults when realizing they’re gay are really ashamed of it. Why would you pursue something you felt so ashamed of? Why would you really want to choose to feel that way? I don’t want this to be taken the wrong way either. I’m not critisizing or bashing your comment, and if I am, I don’t mean to. How you feel is just your opinion, and I understand that this is mine. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just how I see things. I don’t want to offend anyone that agrees with Alex.
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I guess Alex CHOSE to be straight then. Why would a gay man choose the descrimination, the nasty looks, the outcast of society, the hate crimes and the gay bashing…wow, sounds like good fun to me (note the sarcasm).
Comment by Shane — September 23, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
As a Christian, I’ve just read that being gay is not a choice because you can’t really choose it. I’m not supposed to believe that, but it makes sense. Someone give me some advice on how to realize that people do havethe choice of being gay??
Comment by Tiffany — September 26, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
I believe the bible also says:
in Psalm 137, verse 9. The Babylonians are supposed to be put down, and the followers of God should be happy to take the “little ones,” the little children–which you have to agree those children are innocent–to be “happy” to take them and dash them against the stones. It doesn’t say that you should regrettably do it. It says you should be “happy,” or “blessed” to take the children of these infidel Babylonians and dash them against the rocks.
As well as Number 31, Kill all of the women that have known men, kill all of the men and boys, but save the young virgins for yourself as a part of the prize [Numbers 31:35], and thirty-two of the virgins go to the priests [Numbers 31:40]
Do you believe these are words to live by as well?
Tiffany,
the bible is full of lies, errors, deceptions, and therefore so are many of the things you are told in Church. The whole premise of this post is based on a story that was never part of the original scriptures and later added to the Bible because someone decided it was a good story. “let he is without sin, cast the first stone.” If your bible says this then your bible is a deception.
In fact, being a woman you should not even be questioning what you are told in Church if you believe what the bible tells you. Read 1 Corinthians 14:33-14:36
As in all the churches of the saints, 14:34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says. 14:35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.
“disgraceful” Tiffany, “disgraceful”
As far as your question goes, scientests are actively searching for gene sequences that would determine sexuality, and current research would suggest that there is some link between the two. Not to mention the fact that is prevelant throughout nature.
Being straight myself, I find it very hard to believe that I could just choose to be gay, if your feelings tell you the same thing, why do you question them?
Comment by Kevin — October 9, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
umm your all stupid it talks about if you havent commited any sins then go ahead and throw the rock but since everyone sins you shouldnt judge people because you think you are higher then them when you all sin
Comment by brittany — January 15, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Brittany,
What part of 1 Corinthians 14:33-14:36 don’t you understand? The bible cleary defines woman aren’t worth as much as men (Leviticus 27:1-7), so if you have some kind of idea you’d like to share please run it by a man first before running your mouth, because your opinion holds no weight, at least not as much as mine, a real man, praise the LORD!
Comment by Kevin — February 8, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
I’m a little late to the party here, but I wanted to add my OPINION (caps lock got stuck):
I think homosexuality is a sin. But I also think divorce is a sin. The Bible is actually VERY clear about the sinfulness of divorce. But for some reason, we never talk about the immorality of divorcees or the devastating impact divorce has on their kids.
Comment by Bob — March 23, 2007 @ 7:20 am
I must be a fool. Here was me being brought up to believe that Christianity was about following Jesus’ example in terms of what he did or how he behaved- Showing compassion, tolerance, love for thy neighbour, etc. If he had that much of an issue with homosexuality, don’t you think it would have been made a bit more clearer as he did with loving thy neighbour. Ruth Malhotra (and I hope she is reading this) does not sound like a Christian at all to me. She sounds like a self-centred, paranoid bully and to call her Christian would be like calling Hitler a hippy.
Comment by Tom — April 24, 2007 @ 6:25 am
Ruth Malhotra. Definitely converted christian. And as expetected “more loyal than the king”.
And probably suffering from “Neurosis of the converted”(V.S.Naipaul) - displaying the faithfulness to her new creed by affecting open hostility toward the values she abandoned.
Comment by Sankar Malhotra — May 12, 2007 @ 4:08 am
Quoted from Alex’s Comment: “Does it not say on the american bill ” In GOD We Trust”?
–It does, but you and most Christians have wrongly interpreted what the founding fathers were using the term ‘God’ for. If you care to look up the methods and thoughts put into such things as the Constitution and particularly the Bill of Rights (Amendment 1), you will find that it is clearly an -undefined- term, and if you brush up on the writings many of the authors of those documents left behind, you will further find that they specifically used a neutral term such as ‘God’ as a “fill in the blank” for all Americans. For clarification purposes, if you want to see it as the founding fathers intended, look at it as being written like this: “In Faith We Trust”. Faith in what? Fill in the blank! Religious freedom for all!
Comment by Jake — June 18, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Actually, the bible defines very clearly that it is a sin for a “man to lay with another man as with a woman” but we mustn’t forget that the bible was written by humans, and as such is full of prejudices.
How many times did Jesus Christ have to remind men to let go of their petty prejudices? Did he not have to do so time and time again? (Because men, after all, are not so easy to change.)
HE says: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and he does not judge her (but he also tells her not to commit this sin again).
As Christians, we cannot allow ourselves to judge others, for it is our belief that all men are sinners. It is up to God, and Jesus Christ (they are the same), to judge a man when that time comes; and it is also said that if only you have enough faith in God and Jesus Christ you will be saved.
Jesus Christ did not preach hate, violence, or that men are above women. He preached love and equality amongst men.
Is not a greater sin to condemn people, to hate them for not being able to change, than not to be able to fall for the “right” person?
Can homosexuality and adultery even be compared? (In the case you believe homosexuality to be a sin) I think not. One you can choose, the other you can’t. She chose this sin, and yet he didn’t judge her, so why would he judge homosexuals for being gay?
And why would we, who are, after all, sinners too?
You don’t need to judge (hate) gays to be a good Christian. You can be a homosexual and still be a good Christian too, because while yes, according to the bible they are sinners, according to the bible we are all sinners, but does that mean there are no good Christians out there?
@ Kevin,
Yes, the men who are mentioned in the bible often belittled and suppressed women, but that men are above women is an idea that has existed longer than our religion has. Jesus Christ, as is written in the bible, did not treat women as lower beings than men. For him, men and women were equals. (Just take a look at: Lk 10,38-42; Lk 8,1-3; Joh 4,1-26); Mk 14, 3-9; Lk 7,36-50; Lk 15,8-10; Joh 20,11-1
Comment by Vivien — June 22, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
“Brittany,
What part of 1 Corinthians 14:33-14:36 don’t you understand? The bible cleary defines woman aren’t worth as much as men (Leviticus 27:1-7), so if you have some kind of idea you’d like to share please run it by a man first before running your mouth, because your opinion holds no weight, at least not as much as mine, a real man, praise the LORD!”
Actually, you are doing as many do with the Bible and taking it out of context not only of the chapter and paragraph, but of the times. This paragraph is directed towards church worship and as such is addressing some issues that those in the church of Corinth had. In those times, the men would sit in the front and the women in the back. It was such that the front was on the lower level and closer to speaker whereas the back was raised up a level and farther away. Women could not hear the speaker as well and would talk across the way to their husbands asking what was said and such. THIS is why it is said for women to keep quiet “in church” (also duly noted that the verse does say ‘in church’, not ‘in general’ or ‘everyday’ discussions) and ask their husbands things when they are home. To keep the church sacred.
Comment by Jen — October 31, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
i didnt even read more than one paragraph. its pretty sick. i’m a strong christian. and i think you shoould get your facts straight before you assume things. where did god ever say anyone who was gay was going to hell? cause if you can find it i’d sure like to see it. the bible states that homosexuality is a sin. NOT anyone who’s homosexual is going to hell. not anyone who breaks the ten commandments, or sins is going to hell. He who believes that jesus is the messiah and the son of god will inherit the kingdom. The bible clearly states that no sin is greater than any other. In gos eyes someone gossiping is no less or worse than someone murdering. If a gay person believes that jesus is the son of god they will inherit the kingdom. Even strong christians sin. There is no such thing as a person with no sin.
The scripture is “He who has no sin, throw the first stone” because NO ONE has no sin and has no room to be criticizing anyone for sinning. God says not accept the lifestyle of homosexuality but not to put it down because its just as bad of a sin to make fun of it as it is to be living it.
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“Religions are more often weapons used to separate one from another than instruments of compassion and healing. Seeing evil embedded in religion provokes cynicism in me. What is good becomes evil. That which claims to see is blind. Those that exist for compassion are purveyors of death. The world is not as it seems to be. We are not what we seem to be.” Ken, Sexual Relations Psychologist, married to Alice for 29 years, two children.
Comment by Marty — April 1, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
To be short, because it’s late, not only is there heavy scientific indication that homosexual tendencies are genetic as well as social (nature AND nurture), but it’s also biblical that God has subjected the earth to futility in hope (Romans 1), and so just as some of us are born with tendencies to be anger-prone, to become drunks, to be lazy, so are some of us born with homosexual tendencies.
Christians (my team) need to get their heads on straight. People who struggle with homosexual desires/tendencies need not to be hated on or yelled at; there is moral responsibility for homosexual acts/lifestyles, but there is also moral responsibility for lying - do we wear shirts that says “God hates liars”? No, because we share that same sin, so we wouldn’t want ourselves looking bad - instead we pick on the people who live homosexual lifestyles because that doesn’t point out our own sin.
Get a grip, guys. People with homosexual desires/tendencies/lifestyles do not need to be bashed, because that does nothing but make God look awful and Jesus look uncompassionate; instead, share the gospel, because as much as you yell at them, without Christ they have no reason to change. Once someone becomes a Christian and becomes a new creation with a new heart and new desires, *then* HELP them to live a sexually pure life, either with a member of the opposite sex or celibate, whichever is possible/needed.
I hope this can be a beacon for the Church to any person being bashed by the Church. Maybe give a Church a try with the RIGHT attitude toward persons with homosexual tendencies - that you should be welcomed with open arms and have the gospel shared with you, and if you then accept Christ your desire to live the homosexual lifestyle will fall to the background as your new desire to please God will come to the forefront of your heart, just as it has with myself and with any other *real* Christian you talk to (and there are PLENTY who claim to be Jesus’ people, but are not, and they make God look bad - please look past them and look at Jesus, because people only screw up what Jesus would have us do as we’re all imperfect, even as Christians).
Comment by Todd — June 15, 2008 @ 1:51 am